Saturday, March 10, 2012

What happened to the "game" in "video game"?

It seems like every gamer considers things like story and graphics and multiplayer to be the most important components of a good video game, when the game part seems to get left behind.


For instance, I love to play a good shooting game. Halo 3, Call of Duty 4, and Gears of War are amongst my favorites. But out of those, Gears is the longest, and it's a little over 10 hours on your first playthrough. Really? Ten years ago, ten hours was considered too short. Now, it's considered just right. The gameplay is great in these games, but it just doesn't last. Multiplayer does not, in any way, shape, or form, make up for a short game. No game should need to stand on multiplayer alone. I don't care if it's Quake 3 or Unreal Tournament, it ought to be against the law to concentrate on multiplayer.


So, in my quest to find a long game well worth my hard earned money, I bought (over a period of a few months) Fallout 3, both Mass Effects, Oblivion, and I'm looking at Dragon Age. Never before has an RPG held my interest, but that's because I’ve always associated RPG with "stand in a line and take turns punching each other with a menu button." This concept was one I hated, and still do, but the WRPG's that I've got are immersive, interesting, and expansive. But the actual game parts are still a bit lackluster. Out of all of them, only Mass Effect 2 could really work without any story or dialogue. I'm also having a hard time calling ME2 an "RPG" with a straight face, more like a story driven third person shooter. The "take cover" style of game play just doesn’t work anywhere near as well as it does in Gears 2. It isn’t bad, by any means, but if you’re going to rip off a game you might as well go all the way, and ME2 only half-heartedly does it. In Gears, you can roll away, crouch and run, crouch in cover, and the camera swings to the right or left of your character depending on where and how you are aiming. ME2 doesn’t have any of this, only the basic “back against the chest-high wall” maneuver.


What I’m saying is that nowadays, games are too focused on the “other stuff”. I’d like a game that’s as long as Oblivion, as polished as CoD4, controls as well as Gears 2, has a story as expansive and interesting as Mass Effect, and just drops any thoughts of “multiplayer” whatsoever. Any suggestions, and who agrees?





Sorry for the incredibly long question. I have one more - Is Dragon Age turn-based at all?|||1. Halo: CE had the best story of the three primary Halo games and those you mentioned in the first paragraph. I understand that it's an arguable point, but I'm speaking from a strictly structural point of view.





2. Campaigns in video games are getting shorter because the plots in the stories are more interesting and, as such, need to be more condensed to maintain pacing and flow.





3. Agreed, multiplayer does not define the game experience. You should understand, however, that the casual gamer is the largest demographic to play video games and the competitive gamer is the largest demographic to purchase games when they are first released. Highlighting good multiplayer is a marketing tool, as well as an extension of a game's primary function.





4. The cover system employed by Gears and ME2 was pioneered by an underappreciated game called KillSwitch, which was then revolutionized by Ubisoft for Rainbow Six: Vegas. Gears is by no means original and ME is not copying Gears. RS:V2 was far more successful than either of those games. Cliff Bleszinski said himself he took inspiration from RS and made the cover system more like a game of paintball, which multiplayer strongly represents: People hiding behind cover until some one hacks you to bits with a chainsaw





5. A game can't have everything. I don't think, and hundreds of thousands of other people will agree with me, that a game like Oblivion is incomplete or lacking in any way. MW2 certainly has multiplay failings, and the character in gears 2 doesn't move quickly enough in multiplayer for my tastes. There are plenty of single player games out there that are interesting and have multiplayer, like MW2, RS:V2, and Gears 2, that don't hurt the experience of the story. Halo: Reach and ODST are great examples. Just don't let the multiplayer bother you.





6. I never experienced turn-based strategy in DA, and I don't believe it was ever marketed as such.|||Whether the game stands on multiplayer, partially or alone, is dependent on what the game is. Left 4 Dead and Team Fortress 2 are amazing games. They are great games that are multiplayer. If you haven't played L4D 1-2 or TF2, you are cheating yourself out of fantastically balanced game play either in co-op or versus.





I'm not entirely certain what you mean by "actual game parts" or the notion that a game like Mass Effect 2 or any RPG would need to be judged without dialogue or story. RPG's are about telling stories. Games, though defined by interactivity, are frequently considered vessels for telling stories. If you don't want story, play Tetris. Or pong.





Gears of War did not invent cover systems, and utilizing a common mechanic does not mean that you are trying to rip off another game, or that you did not do it as well.





If you have trouble calling Mass Effect 2 an RPG with a straight face, that might be indicative of that fact that you do not know what an RPG is:





"A role-playing game (RPG) is a broad family of games in which players assume the roles of characters in a fictional setting. Players take responsibility for acting out these roles within a narrative, either through literal acting, or through a process of structured decision-making or character development" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role-playin…





Huh. Sounds an awful lot like taking on the role of Commander Shepard. Choosing Paragon, Regegade or neutral resolutions to various situations in-game to progress a narrative. Also, it has the common RPG elements of customization, party and equipment configuration.





No, Dragon Age Origins is not turn-based. Yes, it is an RPG. Lots of the aforementioned mechanics will be present. Not alot of ducking behind cover and shooting things.|||If you buy Civilization V and set it on the right length, it could take days, if not weeks. Oh and If you are hoping for a FPS with no multiplayer? :) Good luck!


HAHAHA|||I agree to an extent, but I think you're just a bit too picky lol. To me, the Mass Effect games aren't supposed to be like the Gears games. They're two TOTALLY different type games, and the "take cover" aspect isn't all that important in Mass Effect. And you can't completely drop multiplayer, but I get what your saying. But just think about Halo without multiplayer. It wouldn't be Halo. Sure, I'd like a better campaign gameplay, but multiplayer is SO much more important in a game like that. That's why people play it, because they wanna get together with their friends (whether it be in person or online). If they could package all those things into a game, that'd be awesome I'd definately buy it, but game makers focus on multiplayer because that's what appeals to the majority of gamers nowadays.|||That may be your opinion. There are plenty of games that don't involve multiplayer if you don't want to use it. Multiplayer, and specifically online Muliplayer and MMORPG ensure that people will play the game for longer periods of time without moving on, so that game and console companies can make money from subscriptions and DLC.





Another part of it might also be that nowadays, Game Worlds are more open and have a lot more Eye Candy than they did long ago. There's more to explore, do, and see.

Which laptop is better for gaming?

I'm planning on buying a laptop, probably one of these two. Which one in your opinion is better for playing Dragon Age: Origins and for gaming in general? Either of these should be enough I think but I'm not really an expert. I also have some doubts about the GPU.





I know that a desktop is better for gaming but I can't get one for several reasons.





Laptop 1:


NB GT640X CI7-720QM MSI





Product Description


MSI GT640X 007BL - Core i7 720QM 1.6 GHz - 15.4" TFT


Dimensions (WxDxH) 36 cm x 26 cm x 3.6 cm


Weight 2.7 kg


System Type: Notebook


Built-in Devices: Stereo speakers, wireless LAN


aerial, Bluetooth aerial


Processor: Intel Core i7 720QM / 1.6 GHz ( 2.8 GHz ) ( Quad-Core )


RAM: 4 GB (installed) / 4 GB (max) - DDR3 SDRAM


Card Reader 4 in 1


Hard Drive: 500 GB - Serial ATA-150 - 7200 rpm


Optical Storage DVD±RW / DVD-RAM


Display 15.4" TFT 1680 x 1050 ( WSXGA+ ) - glare


Graphics Controller NVIDIA GeForce GTS 250M


Video Memory 1 GB DDR3 VRAM


Audio Output Sound card


Telecom Fax / modem


Networking Network adapter - Ethernet, Fast Ethernet, Gigabit Ethernet, IEEE 802.11b, IEEE 802.11a, IEEE 802.11g,


Bluetooth 2.0 EDR, IEEE 802.11n


Notebook Camera Integrated - 2 Megapixel


Input Device Mouse, keyboard, touchpad


Operating System FreeDOS


Manufacturer Warranty 2 years warranty











Laptop 2:


DELL Studio 17 (1749) Black


Battery: Primary 9-cell 85W/HR LI-ION


I/O ports: (2)


USB 2.0 ports (1) USB 2.0 / e-SATA combo port with Power share HDMI


connector DisplayPort connector VGA video connector IEEE 1394a connector





HDD: 1TB (2x500GB) Serial ATA (7200RPM) Dual HDD


Video:


1 GB ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5650


Card reader: 8-in-1 Media


Card Reader Secure Digital (SD) Memory Card Multi Media Card (MMC) xD


Picture Card (xD) Hi-Density Secure Digital (SDHD) Hi-Capacity Secure


Digital (SDHC) Memory Stick (MS) Memory Stick PRO (MS PRO) Secure


Digital Input/Output (SDIO)


Optical storage: 8X DVD+/-RW Drive


including Roxio Burn software


Memory: 4096MB (2x2048) 1333MHz


DDR3 Dual Channel


Processor: Intel i7-620M(2.66GHz) Mobile


CPU


Warranty Terms: 3-year limited hardware warranty. The


Notebook battery is considered as a consumable part. Due to the natural


loss of the battery capacity, there is only a one-year warranty offered


on this item.


Camera: Integrated 2.0 Mega Pixel Camera


Display:


17.3in High Definition+ (1600X900) LED with TrueLife


Operating


System: English Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium (64 BIT)


Keyboard:


Internal Russian Qwerty Keyboard


Communications: Wireless


1397 (802.11 b/g) ; Bluetooth 365 Card


AC adapter: Inspiron


90W AC Adapter|||Laptop 2, because it has a higher and better specifications, and you gonna need those factors to run a high end game very smoothly|||Laptop 2...|||the second one, but its still not a great gaming machine.|||Try Leawo DVD Creator! It can burn videos to dvd easily and quickly.Download Leawo Free DVD Creator here:


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Which would you buy? (Computer or laptop question)?

I've been wanting a new laptop/computer for a while now and have a computer and a laptop that I'm stuck with. I just can't choose which to buy. As I have a small bedroom, putting the computer in would be hard work, but it is rather good. I'm not sure If the laptop would come anyway near the computer? I'm wanting to use it for gaming, like Rome: Total War, Dragon Age: Origins and MMO's like LOTRO and Star Wars: Old Republic etc and obviously general internet uses, Facebook/Tumblr etc. At the moment I have a nice little Toshiba (Perfect for internet browsing and some games but it couldn't handle Dragon Age 2. I will still keep this laptop though.





Specs:





Computer:


ADVENT DT1411 Desktop PC 拢729.99 (Keyboard, Mouse and Monitor included)


Processor Intel庐 Quad Core Processor i5-2320


- 3 Ghz


- 6MB cache memory


Operating System Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit


RAM 8GB (4GB + 4GB), DDR3, 1333Mhz, Maximum expandable memory 8GB (4GB + 4GB)


Graphics card AMD HD6670


2GB DDR3


Hard drive 1.5 TB, 7200rpm (variable), SATA


Optical disk drive Yes





16x DVD, 48x CDR, 24x RW


24x DVD -/+R, 8x DL-/+R, 8x +RW, 6x -RW, 12x -RAM


Memory card reader Yes


USB 8


Modem/Ethernet 10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet


WiFi Ralink 802.11 bgn USB Dongle


Audio interface 3.5mm,Optical, SPDIF


Expansion card slot 2x PCI-E x1


Keyboard %26amp; Mouse Wireless multimedia keyboard, wireless mouse


Accessories included Wireless multimedia Keyboard, Wireless Mouse, Wifi USB Dongle





Laptop:





Alienware M11xR3 拢799.01


PROCESSOR Intel庐 Core鈩?i5 2467M 1.6GHz (3MB Cache)


OPERATING SYSTEM English Genuine Windows庐 7 Home Premium (64 BIT)


GRAPHICS CARD 1GB DDR3 NVIDIA庐 GeForce庐 GT 540M


MEMORY 4096MB 1333MHz Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM [2x2048]


HARD DRIVE 750GB (7,200rpm) Serial ATA Hard Drive


WIRELESS CONNECTIVITY Intel庐 1000 Wireless Card


BLUETOOTH Dell Wireless 375 Bluetooth Module


LCD 11.6" (29 cm) Widescreen High Definition (1366x768) WLED with TrueLife


Keyboard Internal UK/Irish Qwerty Keyboard


Cables UK 220V Power Cord


Camera Integrated 2.0 Mega Pixel HD Camera


Power Supply 90W AC Adaptor


SOUND SOFTWARE Integrated High-Definition 5.1 Performance Audio





Thank you for taking your time to answer this.|||Definitely the Alienware. Mainly because I've never heard of Advent and just looked it up and not getting good reviews. At least Alienware is a known company here in the states and are more gaming oriented. It also has a better graphics card.

What would be the best choice of Graphics Card?

I'll be getting my tax return next week, and I've been looking to upgrade my PC for a long while now.





My graphics card isn't as high-end as I would like. I will be upgrading it, and would like some advice.





My price range will be anywhere from $100 to MAYBE $300. And my requirements are such: Runs high-end, and other ones, PC games at max-quality, with ZERO screen-lag. High FPS. Now, games I'm talking about are, ones like Mass Effect 1%26amp;2, Bioshock, Fallout 3, World of Warcraft, Left 4 Dead 2, Dragon Age Origins, Team Fortress 2, etc. And supports at least DirectX 10. MAYBE 11, since I heard news of that being way better than 10? But 11 support might jack the price up, so I don't know.





A card I have been looking at is the Radeon HD 4850. Now keep in mind, I don't know a whole lot about graphics cards. Just looking for the performance that I have always desired in my computer.





Also, it might be required of my PC to upgrade either my RAM or Processor, though I doubt it. Intel Core 2 Duo at 2.66GHz, and 2gigs of RAM. Might I need a better processor/more RAM?|||I have the ATI 4870X2 2GB, I have to say its impressive, but you need a cool running case to handle it.





I would suggest you get more ram if you MB can take it.|||I have a core 2 duo 2.8 and 4 gigs of ram. After alot of research 6 months ago I picked up a 9800 GTX+ 1 GB for about $180 (I think $150 nowadays) and the poor thing SCREAMS fast at 1920x1080 with even the best games. Plus it works with mac os x (a personal bonus to me). Check out its reviews!





Oh, and get your stuff at newegg. Its super cheap and has never let me down.|||For less than $200 you can get an nVidia GTX 260 card. These are high end video cards with GDDR3 memory, and will allow your game choices to play without pause. If you buy this card and you see lag, pause, or delay; it won't be from the video. You do however need an available PCI-e slot on your motherboard.|||ATI Radeon HD 4890 my friend : ) you wont be sorry, thats a promise. Happy gaming.

HP dv6tse or Dell Studio 15?

I am looking at buying a new laptop for college and am stuck between two different configurations from HP and Dell. I will mainly be using this laptop for web browsing and typing up assignments but I am also a light gamer (I play Sims 3 and Dragon Age: Origins) so I need decent graphics as well. I currently have an HP tx2500 and it's okay..but I really don't like how hot it gets so I'm kind of wary about buying another HP. Here are the two configurations:



HP dv6tse:



OPERATING SYSTEM: Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit



PROCESSOR: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-430M Dual Core processor (2.26GHz, 3MB L2 Cache) with Turbo Boost up to 2.53GHz



MEMORY: 4GB DDR3 System Memory (2 Dimm) edit



HARD DRIVE: FREE Upgrade to 500GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive with HP ProtectSmart Hard Drive Protection t



GRAPHICS CARD: 1GB ATI Mobility Radeon(TM) HD 5650 switchable graphics



DISPLAY: 15.6" diagonal High Definition LED HP Brightview Widescreen Display (1366x768) Touchscreen No TouchScreen



PRIMARY OPTICAL DRIVE: SuperMulti 8X DVD+/-R/RW with Double Layer Support edit



NETWORKING: Intel Wireless-N Card



KEYBOARD: Full-size island-style keyboard



PRIMARY BATTERY: High Capacity 6 Cell Lithium Ion Battery (standard)



Dell Studio 15:



PROCESSORS: NEW 2010 Intel? Core? i5-430M 2.26GHz (2.53GHz Turbo Mode, 3M cache)



OPERATING SYSTEM: Genuine Windows? 7 Home Premium, 64bit, English



MEMORY: 4GB Shared Dual Channel DDR3 at 1066MHz



HARD DRIVE: 500GB SATA Hard Drive (7200RPM)



VIDEO CARD: ATI Mobility Radeon? HD 5470, 1GB



HD DISPLAY: 15.6” High Definition (720p) LED Display with TrueLife? and Camera



WIRELESS CARDS: Intel? Centrino? Advanced-N 6200



KEYBOARD: Standard Keyboard



BATTERY OPTIONS: 56 Whr Lithium Ion Battery (6 cell)



Thanks in advance!|||You can consider buying

1)Dell Inspiron i1764-6075OBK 1764 17.3-Inch Laptop (Obsidian Black)

*2.26GHz Intel Core i5-430M Dual Core Processor (2.53GHz Turbo Mode, 3MB Cache)

*4GB System Memory; Media Card Reader; 10/100 Ethernet; Wireless-N Mini-Card

*500GB Hard Drive; 8X Dual Layer DVD+/-RW Optical Drive

*17.3" HD Display; Integrated Intel Graphics Media Accelerator HD; 1.3MP Webcam

*Windows 7 Home Premium Operating System (64-bit); 6-cell Battery

http://www.amazon.com/Dell-Inspiron-i176…



2)Dell Inspiron i1564-8634OBK 1564 15.6-Inch Laptop (Obsidian Black)

* 2.13GHz Intel Core i3 330M Processor (3MB Cache)

* 4GB System Memory; Media Card Reader; 10/100 Ethernet; Wireless 802.11 b/g Card

* 500GB Hard Drive; 8X CD/DVD Burner (Dual Layer DVD+/-R Drive)

* 15.6" HD Display; Integrated Intel Graphics Media Accelerator HD; 1.3MP Webcam

* Windows 7 Home Premium Operating System (64-bit); 9-cell Battery

http://www.amazon.com/Dell-Inspiron-i156…



3)ASUS Republic of Gamers G51JX-X3 15.6-Inch Gaming Laptop (Blue)



ASUS Republic of Gamers G51JX-X3 15.6-Inch Gaming Laptop (Blue)

* Intel Core i5-430M Processor 2.26 GHz with Turbo Boost Technology up to 2.53 GHz

* 4GB DDR3 1066MHz RAM, 2 SODIMM Slots; 8GB Max

* 500GB Hard Drive (7200 RPM); Super Multi Optical Disk Drive; Wi-Fi 802.11 bgn

* 15.6" Full HD 1920x1080 LED LCD Display; NVidia GTS 360M Graphics Engine with 1GB DDR5 dedicated VRAM

* Windows 7 Home Premium (64 bit) Operating System; Bluetooth; 2.0MP Webcam; Backlit Chiclet Keyboard

http://www.amazon.com/Republic-Gamers-G5…|||Hello Brianna,



I have a HP DV6 portable, it keeps bugging and bugging so you shall go for the other one,

I don't know much about that one, I hope it is better



Kiss and Bye|||yours is dell
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  • My boyfriend says this is the ultimate PC setup. Will it play world of warcraft?

    My boyfriend has had his eyes on this setup for quite a while. I was wondering if this is overkill for gaming or if he would need more.








    Intel Z68 Core i5/i7 Configurator





    1 x Case ( Antec LanBoy Air Gaming Case - Yellow )


    0 x Case Lighting ( None )


    0 x iBUYPOWER Labs - Noise Reduction ( None )


    0 x iBUYPOWER Labs - Internal Expansion ( None )


    1 x Processor ( Intel庐 Core鈩?i7-2600K Processor (4x 3.40GHz/8MB L3 Cache) )


    1 x iBUYPOWER PowerDrive ( PowerDrive Level 2 - Up to 20% Overclocking )


    1 x Processor Cooling ( Asetek 550LC Liquid CPU Cooling System (Intel) - ARC Dual Silent High Perfornamce Fan Upgrade (Push-Pull Airflow) )


    1 x Memory ( 16 GB [4 GB X4] DDR3-1600 Memory Module - ** FREE Upgrade to Corsair Vengeance ** Corsair or Major Brand )


    1 x Video Card ( NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580 - 3GB - 3-Way SLI Mode (Triple Cards) )


    1 x Video Card Brand ( Major Brand Powered by ATI or NVIDIA )


    1 x Motherboard ( [3-Way SLI] Gigabyte GA-Z68X-UD7-B3 -- 4x PIC-E 2.0 x16, 2x Gb LAN, 6x USB 3.0 )


    0 x Intel Smart Response Technology ( None )


    1 x Power Supply ( 1500 Watt -- SilverStone ST1500 )


    1 x Primary Hard Drive ( 120 GB Intel 510 MLC SSD SATA 6 Gb/s - Dual 120GB Drives (240GB Capacity) - RAID 0 High Performance )


    1 x Data Hard Drive ( 3 TB HARD DRIVE -- 64M Cache, 7200 RPM, 6.0Gb/s - Single Drive )


    1 x Optical Drive ( [12X Blu-Ray] Pioneer BLU-RAY Re-Writer, DVD卤R/卤RW Burner Combo Drive - Black )


    0 x 2nd Optical Drive ( None )


    0 x Flash Media Reader / Writer ( None )


    0 x Meter Display ( None )


    0 x USB Expansion ( None )


    1 x Sound Card ( 3D Premium Surround Sound Onboard )


    1 x Network Card ( Onboard LAN Network (Gb or 10/100) )


    1 x Operating System ( Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate + Office Starter 2010 (Includes basic versions of Word and Excel) - 64-bit )


    1 x Software / Game ( Call of Duty: Black Ops )


    1 x Software / Game ( Crysis 2 )


    1 x Software / Game ( Dragon Age II )


    1 x Keyboard ( iBUYPOWER USB Keyboard - Black )


    1 x Mouse ( iBUYPOWER Internet Mouse )


    1 x Mouse ( Thermaltake eSPORTS BLACK Professional Gaming Mouse )


    1 x Monitor ( 27" LCD 1920x1080 -- Sceptre X270W-1080P )


    1 x 2nd Monitor ( 27" LCD 1920x1080 -- Sceptre X270W-1080P )


    0 x Speaker System ( None )


    0 x Headset ( None )


    0 x Video Camera ( None )


    1 x Advanced Build Options ( iBUYPOWER Specialized Advanced Packaging System - Protect your investment during transportation! )


    1 x Advanced Build Options ( Tuniq TX-2 High Performance Thermal Compound - The best interface between your CPU and the heatsinks )


    1 x Advanced Build Options ( Professional wiring for all cables inside the system tower - Achieve exceptional airflow in your chassis )


    1 x Advanced Build Options ( Professional wiring for all cables inside the system tower - Basic Pro Wiring )


    1 x Advanced Build Options ( Professional wiring for all cables inside the system tower - Advanced - Power Package (Individually Sleeved 24-pin ATX, 8-pin CPU, and SATA Drive Power Cabling) )


    1 x Advanced Build Options ( Professional wiring for all cables inside the system tower - Advanced - Video Package (Individually Sleeved 8-pin and 6-pin PCI-E VGA Power Cabling) )


    0 x Case Engraving Service ( None )


    1 x Warranty ( Standard Warranty Service - Standard 3-Year Limited Warranty + Lifetime Technical Support )


    1 x Rush Service ( Rush Service Fee (not shipping fee) - No Rush Service, Estimate Ship Out in 5~10 Business Days )





    $5,777.00|||It would play the WOW just as well as a $1500-2000 computer, here's why. WOW is a game that doesn't recieve a huge performance boost from a multiple graphics card setup. Here's a link to a benchmark of WOW running 2-way SLI with a GTX 580 vs. a single GTX 580. Adding a 3rd card would probably get you just a few more extra FPS.





    Normally, you would see a 50%-90% performance boost by adding a second card. With WOW you're getting 30% at the most. Also, you will never visually see the difference once you go over 60FPS. A single GTX 580 is giving you 100FPS on a 2560x1600 monitor, that's impressive.





    http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDI鈥?/a>





    Here are the specs of a Computer that would play WOW at max





    Core i5-2500K


    P67 or Z68 motherboard


    8gb DDR3


    128gb SSD Drive SATA3


    1TB drive for storage


    Single GTX 580


    850w power supply


    A case with good airflow to keep the parts cool


    Mouse and keyboard of your choice.


    27" Samsung 1920x1080 monitor.





    I would look at building the PC yourself. You will still get at least a 3 year warranty on all of the parts. You'll save money and you would have more control when it comes to future upgrades.|||this computr for just word of craft wtf ... This is a strong syrtem .


    I have a 2 years collected computr that cost about 1800 $ and since i got it i only play games on ultra setting . Crysis , black ops , c搂c etc...|||Thats one lucky boyfriend you have their. O.o|||OMG THATS WAY OVERKILL LIKE REALLY I NEVER SEEN SOMEONE WILLING TO SPEND THAT MUCH MONEY ON A PC. Oh and don't buy from IBUYPOWER or CYBERPOWER because they are bull. They sent me their computers with broken parts, a lot of it not plugged in, and overall they tried to keep my money. Once again, OVERKILL I built my pc for $1000 and it runs all new games fine. Although, I would get that beast machine, it would last years and years without having to be upgraded!



    New: He only needs one SSD, Video card, and monitor, but who gives a crap, IT OWNS. Although, I really would go with one monitor. No need for more then 1 as then theres black lines in between each game.|||Holy cow that is the ultimate computer setup. It never fails to amaze me how people think they need a supercomputer to play WOW when a $500 computer from best buy would work just fine.





    I'm sure a setup like this is a dream to most people as well but there is a lot better ways to spend close to six grand then on this.

    Looking for a PC game which is hard and relentless, but fun and rewarding.?

    Read: looking for a PC game like Demon's Souls.





    I've looked at thread after thread on similar topics elsewhere, but have struck no mother lode in terms of actually finding a game. So, here's what i'm seeking:





    1. Something similar in genre to Demon's Souls - action RPGs, that sort of stuff.


    2. Something which requires a fair amount of reflex, skill and coordination - blocking at the right times, dodging, etc.


    3. Something which doesn't offer an easy way out and is ruthless - for instance, dying causes you to lose everything you have, etc.


    4. If there is a combat system, it should be fun. Demon's Souls is fun - it's open combat.


    5. TROLLSTORM INCOMING: Decent graphics. Story gameplay blah blah, but every game released now-a-days has decent graphics, and in this the gaming market has instilled a standard which i seek and require. I'm not saying graphically older are BAD - just that i won't ENJOY them as much. So i want gameplay + GRAPHICS (possibly story, but DS didn't have much of that.)





    Based on these criteria, and personal preference, the following games are ruled out:





    1. World of Warcraft - why would anyone suggest this? I don't know, but i've seen it as a response to other threads. NO WAY. Played it, got bored. GRIND GRIND GRIND. LK + Cata take away any difficulty, so on so forth.





    2. Vindictus - seen this one offered before. Was fairly fun to play, but just didn't have the ruthlessness of DS. Everything aside from SOME bosses was more or less a walk in the park. Furthermore, there are restrictions on competition with other players, instilled by the donator shop that Nexon is so proud of. The one who has the largest bank account wins, generally.





    3. Dragon Age (Origins or 2) - Playing it right now and finding that while the story is immersive and interesting and combat is complex and requires strategy and coordination, it's just not for me. Yes, the combat meets the criteria - but it's hardly relentless and challenging. Pause, get a cup of tea, browse the Argos catalogue and queue up some orders. I'm not looking for all out hack'n'slash gameplay, but atleast something closer to that than Dragon Age.





    4. Diablo (1 or 2) - Played and completed both (1 was far more challenging than 2, which really shows the way games are going in terms of difficulty.) Yet again, the combat isn't quite suiting to what i'm looking for - too much button smashing and not much timing or perfection required. When you get to a high level the game becomes an easy-*** faceroll and repetitive grinding.





    5. Morrowind/Oblivion - played both. Far too open-ended to instill me to do anything at all or progress with the storyline. Enemies become easy-*** faceroll too quickly. Modding can improve this drastically, but i found myself much more involved with looking for b etter and better mods than actually PLAYING the game.





    6. Any NWN, Baldur's Gate, blah, blah, blah. Rpg? Yes. What i'm looking for? NO.





    Don't start arguments over why i'm wrong. This is my personal preference; I've sucked all the joy i can from these games, and they just don't fit into what i want anymore.





    So... challenging, relentless, fun %26amp; rewarding, active and skill-requiring. FOR PC, NOT CONSOLE. If any of you millions of people can quench my thirst for this elusive game, i will metaphorically grant you the title 'Winner of Life'. And give you best answer. ;)|||Have you tried 'The Witcher' or the sequel when it comes out this year or even Dynasty warriors, not sure how that plays on a PC, but with the difficultly ramped up it could pose the challenge you are looking for.|||Personally, I'd say assassins creed. Part1, but especially part2. (there's also a part3, but I haven't played it yet) Good story, nice game play and not to easy.|||this doesn't really meet most or any of your criteria but have you ever tried the myst series.check them out and see what you think.if i have wasted your time im sorry.hope this helps.|||metal gear solid 4 because it is the best game with the best story, and character development and is challenging if you play on hard mode, having to play without being caught, you get rewarded with new weapons and other things.








    Also, try sports games, a cricket simulation or football game.